That Wil Cordero Trade...

[Hawaii007]

I think the general consensus on WIlson is this, he was not a regular infielder, fits the role that Cabrera had last year, the super sub, except Cabrera is even more valuable because he can play the OF. I loved WIlson and was sad to see him go, but seeing how he couldn't even stick with the Pirates as a back up or a starter makes me really wonder as to his true value. I didn't like the COrdero trade when it happened either, but I Don't think we can predict what would have happened based if it didn't happen. Just my opinion.


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[Alex]

Enrique Wilson was actually hitting over .400 the first month of the 2000 year.

In the mold of Travis Fryman, but one year earlier, Robbie Alomar refused to stay sidelined while Enrique filled in for him. Robbie played with a variety of nagging injuries instead of letting Enrique play.

But Robbie and Omar had a few mini injuries, so Enrique played quite regularly the first month and played well.

Enrique's average started to slip after the first month of the season around the time he sprained his thumb. Mike Hargrove showed Enrique how to tape his thumb up and play, and Enrique did, but his average dipped to .325 at the time of the trade.

Enrique Wilson is currently playing behind Derek Jeter and Mariano Soriano, er, Alofonso Soriano, whatever for the New York Yankees, who resigned Enrique this year.

As for Pittsburgh, they were clearly impatient with both ARAM and Enrique.

After the trade with Pittsburgh for Wil Cordero, ARAM managed to out RBI Wil Cordero even though ARAM was barely hitting .200 for a low scoring team.

It may be harder to break through on a poor team than a good team, every loss is magnified, every scoring opportunity is treated like the last chance motel (kind of like what we may go through this year!)

It's the good teams that can let a newbie settle in without expecting fantastic results within two weeks.

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[Alex]

I'm not following your line of reasoning here.

Enrique was whomping the ball, and could not crack an All-Star infield of Fryman, Vizquel, Alomar, and Thome...just what was he supposed to crack besides his knuckles while sitting on the bench.

And it sounds like you are saying that a newbie must make an immediate impact or they deserve to be benched....that's exactly why poor teams stay poor.

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[Hawaii007]

Alex,
I don't think that is completely true. Considering how sucky the middle of the Pirate's infield is right now, Wilson should have been able to crack that lineup. He is a punch and judy hitter with speed, but no patience to walk. That was a negative combination. If Wilson ever learned to walk, he would have been a full-time asset. But after a while, pitchers begin to realize part-time player's tendencies and exploit them.
That is why there is not that much of a clamoring for cabrera to be a full time player. he fits fine as a utility role man. But full-time, his average inevitably drops. That is also why there was some doubt as to Diaz, despite his success through half seasons when Alomar was hurt, they never could tell how he actually would do over an entire season.

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[The Genius]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Crank:
But then again I am no baseball genius....
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Congratulations! You finally got something right.



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[The Crank]

Alex - I was talking about while Wilson was on the Pirates. The post below yours got it right - Wilson could not be a fulltime player for Pittsburgh, how could he be a fulltime player for the Indians????

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[Alex]

Enrique Wilson has never claimed, nor have others claimed, that he had lead-off capabilities.

That is the problem, Pittsburgh was desperate for so many things, it makes working your way into the line-up that much more difficult.

The yanks seem to like him, and if Jeter or Sporiano go down, they won't panic and make a trade, they have Enrique.

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[Alex]

Lucky for me, I'm not smart enough to figure out that that was an insult directed my way!

So again I say, if a team has too many glaring weaknesses offensively, anything short of an instant .300 hitter is unnacceptable.

Why do you think we even considered getting Rueben Rivera, out of a sense that perhaps we don't have a strong, young, lead-off hitter.

Shapiro came close to going back on his "character" pledge out of desperation.

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[Bye!]

Hey, last year by mid May, Cordero was hitting .340. What's that mean? If Wilson is so good, why didn't the they just go and trade for him with the Yankees. It's not as if they would have to give them much.

They may have a shot at him by end of spring training. There's a possibility he might not make the roster.

The only reason it was a bad trade, was because we got Cordero. Not because of what we gave up. We gave up nothing. ARam bombed, and Enrique was average. Right now, this team wouldn't be nearly as good with him at short.

Don't get hung up on this Robbie wouldn't have been traded if they could have traded Omar bull. Because that's what it is. Robbie would have been traded no matter what the outcome with Omar would have been. They couldn't have gotten nearly as much for Omar as they got for Robbie.

If you believe otherwise, you're kidding yourself. The best the Indians could have gotten for Omar would have been a mid-range prospect.

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[NYC JewBoy]

You mean like the mid-range talent we received from the Mets for Robbie?

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